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Baba 35 vs Tayana 37 vs Hans Christian 38

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• Baba 35 - asking $90,000
• Tayana 37 - asking $120,000
• Hans Christian 38 - asking $110,000
• Value for money given the asking price
• Resale value.
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• Which would be fastest ( i know they are all slow)
• Maintenance upkeep. (I know they all have lots of teak)
• Sailing performance, comfort at sea, motion etc
• overall design, ease of use
• And last but not least and probably the most contentious....which has the most beauty

Those prices seem aggressive to me. Stateside they seem cheaper. I like that class of boat . I Own a Union Polaris 36 and still like it, now 20 years on. I'd like to have looked at the Hans Christian details, but there is no way I will log on to a foreign website just to see it. I would avoid a ship with a pilot house like that though. I would be wary of it tolerating a big wave impact. They are not slow ships if the wind is blowing. In light airs they are not fast, but if the wind is right there is nothing slow about them. Be wary of teak decks though. They leak. I have been living with deck leaks for 20 years. Also check the tanks too. Tiawanese ships had a dreadful reputation for poor tankage and i speak from bitter personal experience. What about welding stainless steel tanks with steel welding rods? Sound silly to you? Not in Tioawan. It would have been unreal to me, until I saw it with my own eyes on my own ship. A catastrophic error and unbelievably difficult to recover from that one. Be careful. Fill the tanks to the brim and watch the bilge for days until you are sure they are not leaking. If they leak at all, run!  

Thanks for the reply. You right about the price, but i do not have the option to shop in North America where the prices are good. The Tayana has sold so I am now down to comparing the Baba35 and the Hans Christian 38T. A quick comparison on Yachtworld shows these vessels are not the cheapest ones for sale but also not the most expensive. Seems to priced about right. The Average Hans Christian 38T is priced 80-130 and the average is about 120,000. Of the Baba 35's on the Market the average price is 90,000. The one I am looking at seems to have a fair amount of equipment. The Baba 35 sounds like it has new stainless tanks (15 gallon baffled professionally produced stainless steel fuel tank with large inspection port. 80 gallons fresh water in two baffled stainless steel tanks with large inspection ports.) The Hans Christian 38T is 3 feet longer than the Baba 35 so I guess I would be getting a little more boat for the money.... Any more advice or input welcome.  

I own a Tayana 37, so take this with a grain of salt. The Baba is probably a better constructed boat, but she's also heavier for her size. Same goes for the HC, I believe. Realize the T37 is out of the picture now, but I would say she's the best sailor of the three (and caveat: I have not actually sailed on the Baba). For build quality, I would have gone for the Baba, but she has the lowest SA/D of the three, therefore probably not the best sailor. The Tayana 37 is well built, but there are some issues that you should be aware of -- moot point now that she's out of the running. Between your two choices, if the $20K is not an issue, I'd go with the HC though.  

If you can get your hand on a Tashiba 36 you probably beat the sailing properties of the Tayana 37, and have the superior build quality. Only problem is they are very difficult to get hold off them as only so few were produced.  

Sail Calculator Pro v3.53 - 2500+ boats This website has a good comparison chart. Just scroll down and choose the two boats you want to compare. I think the Hans Christian would be the better sailor, although I'm not sure if the staysail is used in the SA/D calculation, so the numbers can be deceiving. They are both great boats, if you find a few to look at it may come down to their condition. Find one that's the best outfitted for what you want and has the newer sails, rigging and tank upgrades. I'm jealous, I wish it were a decision I had to make ;-)  

I haven't sailed any of those, so I'll refrain from giving my aesthetically-based opinion. But I do hope to someday be presented with such an appealing dilema as deciding between a Baba 35, HC38t and a Tayana 37!  

I have just been comparing the HC38 and T37 myself. With both companies still in business you really can't go wrong either way for resale value. When you look at numbers built HC38 167 (including 30 Telstar Keel versions), T37 588 Baba 35 75. Around 1983 the T37 comes in MKII version with an aft stateroom instead of a quarter berth. Also at some point Ta Yang relocated forward in the fore peak the fuel tank, a full tank weighing 700 pounds so far forward resulted in trim problems and hobby-horsing. The variations on the HC38 are as mysterious as the sea itself. Baba35 variations have interior layout options in key areas. In the forepeak was either a v-berth or a double, while in the saloon there were either straight settees with a drop-leaf table or a L-shaped settee on one side wrapping around the table. Further aft to starboard the option was either a sea-going quarter berth or a generously sized hanging locker. The mild steel fuel tanks have proven susceptible to corrosion mounted in the bilge. HC38 Theoretical hull speed: 7.7 knots, T37 Theoretical hull speed: 7.46 knots, Baba35 Theoretical hull speed: 7.3 knots  

All three are 'leaky teakies' and are overpriced IMHO. All three are getting to that age where deck replacement and tank replacements are due both are really expensive jobs. I would have liked the HC the most I think.  

Disregard TQA's stupid generality. The Baba 35, aka Flying Dutchman 35, is by far the better built boat of the three. It sails about the same as the Tayana 37. But it's shorter so off the wind the TY 37 may be a hair faster. Not sure about the HC. Not too keen on some of their construction details though. I can't speak to how the HC sails but obviosly I have more faith in my own designs. The hull forms of the Baba 35 and the TY 37 are very similar. I would say from a value perspective the Baba 35 is the best boat on your list.  

Sorry Bob for criticizing your baby but the facts speak. The Baba 35s have a history of problems with the mild steel fuel tanks and replacement is not easy. I believe they have teak decks laid on a balsa cored fibre glass deck. As the last Baba 35 was built in 1986 [ I think ] that deck will be at least 27 years old. OK maybe the owners have been really carefull with the deck upkeep but not all do. Correct me if I am wrong but is the deck teak overlay not screwed down onto the fibreglass deck? So we have how many holes leading into the core? I looked long and hard at a lot of boats from that era when I was on the hunt for my forever boat. I listened to a lot of cruisers with boats from that era and the problems they had encountered. Over and over again I heard about leaking teak decks and the costs of repair. Also the nightmare of trying to replace fuel and water tanks that were installed before the deck went on. The OP asked about resale value. Try and sell a boat with a leaking diesel tank, a wornout teak deck on a soggy deck core and evidence down below of water leaks. There is an HC for sale just now in the PNW at a reduced price. Why is the price reduced who knows? Might just be related to the [ admitted ] soggy deck core. BTW I have been lucky enough to have been inside both a Baba 35 and a HC 38.I just liked the extra space in the HC but I am 6'3".  

I know this does not answer your question, but you might want to add the Rafiki-37 to your potential list. They tend to list slightly lower than the others on your list, but in my unbiased opinion, fit well within your group.  

Join the Tayana Owners Group ( TOG) a goggle group organization. Many of the the T37's sell from private parties. The listed price you quote is way to high. TOG will help you identify all the issues with this boat. I've owned hull number for 60 18 years. A boat for a lifetime....  

TQA: You have your facts but I don't think they are "universal" they are just your "facts". Kind of like your "leaky Teak" comment. I have a fact too. My pal Donn has a beautiful PH Baba 35 with no deck problems at all. He bought this boat two years ago in reasonable condition. It's a great boat. He now has it in tip top shape.  

Been through all the so called problems on my T37. Easily solved by a bit of elbow grease and a few bucks. We took off the last of the teak deck on the coach roof in January/February while at anchor in Thailand. Sure lots of small holes to fill, core in excellent shape as I had kept up with the deck seems and plugs. Same with the Black Iron tank, cut that sucker out with a sawzall in New Zealand. New tanks in bilge and under port and starboard settee's, better weight distribution etc. Any of these boats are going to require some work. Better the devil you know then.... Suggest you pay a little more for a well cared boat. If you don't love working on boats then something with a little less teak and a lot more plastic may suit you better.  

Correct me if I am wrong but is the deck teak overlay not screwed down onto the fibreglass deck? So we have how many holes leading into the core? Actually, I was surprised how few screws had penetrated the core. A screw guide must have been used when applying the teak decks. Uniform penetration of the screws into the fiberglass was the norm. I drilled out every hole and filled with epoxy.  

had a t37 and loved it. stainless not the best but very solid ride. ?Have you thought of adding a cape George to your list.  

As folks dig up and comment on a one yr old thread, as if the op is still looking? who know, they maybe.......... at the end of the day, if the boat floats your view points, buy it! I'd rather have an islander 28 than a baba, tayana, hc style boat!  

Good choice!  

Some random pictures so far... I uploaded a few pictures here. Hope to add me and write some words soon. She needs a tidy up and a scrub, but overall is very sound. The Adventures of Noorderzon or - The Adventures of Noorderzon enjoy  

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Your HC38 Looks fantastic. Great cruising area for your new sailboat. Love the pics.  

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Fifteen years after the last Baba was built in Taiwan, the sailboat's traditional styling, large interior and heavy weather performance make it a favorite of cruising couples. Its principal liability is poor light air performance.

The Baba line of boats was conceived in the mid-1970’s by Bob Berg, a Seattle yacht broker who with two business associates formed Flying Dutchman International Ltd. to import traditionally styled cruising boats from Taiwan.

Bob Perry was commissioned to design the boats, which Berg envisioned as a smaller version of the Tayana 37, one of Perry’s most popular designs. Though it is a full-keeled boat, the Tayana 37 has a greater turn of speed than most traditional yachts.

“Our objective was to produce a boat that was faster and less expensive than the Westsail 32 and the Valiant 32,” Berg said. He personally designed the boat’s interior for long­distance cruising. Two versions were offered: a V-berth model, which was popular on the West Coast, and the double berth model that was popular in the East.

Berg chose a propitious time to enter the market. Production began during the heyday of the sailboat industry in 1978 and continued until 1985. More than 230 Baba 30’s were produced. During the later stages of its history, the company produced two stretch versions of the boat-theBaba 35, of which more than 50 were built, and the Baba 40, with more than 150 built. The design of the Baba 40 was reworked twice, first as the Panda 40, and later as the Tashiba 40.

The boats were built in Taiwan for three reasons, Berg said. “Ta Shing boatbuilders were among the best in the world, and the best in Taiwan. Labor was inexpensive. And we enjoyed a favorable exchange rate.”

Ta Shing also built or builds the Mason, Panda, Tashiba and Taswell yachts.

The Baba 30 was introduced with a sticker price of $38,500 in 1977. A subsequent change in the value of the dollar resulted in a price jump to $49,500. That was followed by a 40% devaluation of the Taiwanese dollar and another increase in price.

Two other factors influenced pric­ing: The builder switched from Volvo engines, installed on early models, to Yanmar, and spruce spars were replaced by aluminum. The last boats sold were priced at $78,000.

In addition to pricing issues, the demise of Flying Dutchman International was accelerated by two other factors: a general slump in the purchase of new boats, and a shift in buyer sentiment. During the mid-1980’s, purchasing patterns shifted to a preference for lighter, faster, sleek­er-looking designs.

The Baba 30 continues to have one of the highest resale values in the marketplace. Twenty-year-old boats sell for $55,000 to $60,000; newer models for $60,000 to $65,000. Because Flying Dutchman had dealers on both coasts, the Gulf of Mexico, Great Lakes and Canada, it is possible to find used boats in most areas.

Perry’s design reflects a self-described disdain for the belief that “if it’s a traditional design it will be slow.” His objective was to take a relatively heavy, traditional double-ender and work with the hull lines to “ring every tenth of a knot in speed out of the design that I can.”

He gave the boat an easily driven hull with a prismatic coefficient of .50, “which should take care of performance in light air,” he said. The hull has considerable flair to the top­sides, which enhances stability and provides a dry ride when sailing to weather.

He also flattened the bottom more than a typical Colin Archer design in an attempt to avoid hobby horsing and enhance performance. The boat has a full keel with a cutaway forefoot, so it tracks well. One owner, however, described backing up under power as “an adventure,” a typical characteristic of full-keeled boats.

Owners give the boat high marks for its sea kindly motion in all types of sea conditions. They generally agree that it suffers in light air.

Perry was equally attentive to the needs of cruisers in the design of spaces belowdecks. That concern, coupled with a pinched stern, produces a rather smallish cockpit. Its seats are 60″ long and 20″ wide, so realistically has comfortable seating for four adults. The footwell is 44″ long and 28″ wide, but useful space is diminished by the introduction of a steering pedestal. The cockpit is not large enough for sleeping comfort­ably, but its small size is a safety feature in the event of boarding waves. Also, there are two 2″ scuppers.

The flip side of the minimalist approach to the cockpit is an increase in space belowdecks.

“Anything shorter than 30′ is too small for a long-distance cruiser, un­less you are willing to make serious compromises. At 30′, the designer still can create a workable galley, at least four full length berths, and an en­closed head,” Perry said.

The boat has 6′ 4″ headroom and a lot of stowage, even when compared to more recent 32- to 34-footers, but the price of stowage areas is a dramatic increase in displacement. The boat displaces 12,000 lb. on a 24′ 6″ water­line. Perry said that at the time he designed the Baba 30, the average 30- footer displaced about 7 ,000 lb.

“But,” he added, “you will find that the light yacht is short on stowage space, which is fine for short week­end trips and day sailing. I chose a rather beamy double-ender with a healthy displacement-to-length ratio(D/L) of 3 79, which afforded the interior volume to do a comfortable layout.”

The Baba 30 has a tall cutter rig. The sail area-to-displacement ratio (SAID) is 14.97. “While this may be viewed as a rather low figure,” he said, “it is my contention that at this size the use of a 150% genoa is not prohibitive. My aim was to design a rig compatible with the hull I had designed in terms of deriving maximum performance.”

During our test sail, we discovered that a large genoa or light air drifter contributes significantly to downwind speed in winds under 10 knots. Above 15 knots, the boat can be sailed at hull speed with a jib and staysail.

One owner told us that the boat is easily driven to weather, and will point to within 35 of apparent wind when sails are properly trimmed.

“The result of my design is not a cute cartoon,” Perry concluded, “but a really capable offshore cruising yacht.

Construction

Berg, two professional surveyors, and owners who responded to the PS Boatowner’ s Questionnaire agree that the Baba 30 is a well-constructed, blue-water vessel.

The hulls were constructed of uncored, hand-laid fiberglass using alternating layers of 1. 5-ounce mat and 24-ounce woven roving.

There are six layers in most places, and 10-12 layers in the keel area,” Berg recalled.

The interiors of early boats were smoothed and sprayed with gelcoat, and covered with a quilted vinyl material. Later models were sprayed with a foam that provided insulation and sound deadening.

Newer boats we inspected also have hulls lined with teak battens in the saloon and forepeak, which improve noise insulation and add to the boat’s traditional feel. The cabin sole is teak and holly. Cabinetry and joinery are of a quality typically associated with high-end custom yachts.

Berg disclosed that some of the hulls experienced minor blistering problems, “usually within 12″ of the waterline,” he said.

Ron Reisner, a Seattle-based surveyor and construction consultant with Reisner and McEwen, Inc., oversaw construction of Baba yachts during the 1970’s on two trips to Taiwan. He has since surveyed several used Baba 30’s, including two in 1998.

“The boats were substantially built, and have held up well,” he told us. “The only problem we have discovered is that some chainplate bolts have corroded.” Because the bolts are visible from below, their condition is easy to monitor.

Jerry Edwards, a surveyor with the same firm, concurred. Edwards sold, commissioned and performed sea trials on several boats during three years as a yacht broker, and has surveyed seven since becoming a surveyor.

“The construction is on a par with almost any quality production boat,” he said. “The electrical systems are excellent; the company used high quality wire, which was tagged and bundled. The plumbing system is also good. The blisters we saw were usually 1/8″ inch in size, and usually in small clusters near the waterline. They probably were a function of the company using isophthalic resins, rather than orthophthalic. But my main criticism of the boat is the use of a steel fuel tank.”

We inspected boats constructed in 1979 and 1983, both of which had completed trans-Pacific passages, and found no evidence of cracking or crazing on gelcoat surfaces, or of water leaks around the mast or ports. One still has a good non-skid surface on deck. On the other, its teak decks showed little wear.

The first boats produced were equipped with only one set of shrouds, Berg told us. However, after one owner’s boat was dismasted, fore and aft lower shrouds were add­ed to the single spreader rig.

Later models in­corporated a boom gallows.

Deck Layout

One of the Baba 30’s most prominent features is the 4′ bowsprit. It is surrounded by a stainless steel pulpit, and also houses two bow rollers and a large bronze winch.

Most boats were equipped with self-tending staysails, but two we inspected had been retrofitted with furlers on the jib and staysail stays, which simplified sail handling during double-handed passages across the Pacific Ocean.

The rest of the boat’s on-deck systems are rather ordinary; halyards are led to Lewmar 30 two­speed winches mounted on the cabin top, and jib sheets through blocks to Lewmar 40 two-speed winches in the cockpit. Sail tracks, port and star­board, on the coachroof, are for the stay sail sheets. The side decks are 18″ wide. The toerail is 3″ high.

Though tiny, the cockpit is functionally organized. Stowage space includes a port lazarette, two elevated, oval­shaped compartments aft that also provide a backrest for the helmsman and crew, and another vented compartment for a propane tank. Two 14″-wide cubbies with teak covers are good for stowing winch handles and other small items.

Two hatches and four bronze opening ports on each side of the cabin were standard. Two opening skylights over the saloon are 34″ long and 18″ wide; a second 24″ square hatch is located over the forepeak. Additional ventilation is through two 6″ Dorades installed in fiberglass boxes forward of the mast.

One owner mounted a spinnaker pole on a sail track on the front of the mast, which takes no otherwise usable space and eliminates the need to drill holes in the deck.

Accommodations

A number of Baba 30’s have made trans-oceanic passages, carrying adequate provisions for a crew of two. One couple spent 27 days sailing from Hawaii to Seattle.

The layout is fairly straightforward with the galley to port below the companionway, the nav station opposite, and a quarterberth to starboard. An almost triangular-shaped head is to starboard, forward of the saloon, and the V-berth fills the bow. With the exception of countertops in the galley, all of the surfaces are teak, which has aged well on the boats we saw.

The nav table is 28″ wide, and 17″ deep. A cabinet 26″ wide, 14″ high and 12″ deep is on the forward edge of the nav station and provides adequate room for VHS, GPS, ham radio or single-sideband and weatherfax. An additional 50″ x 9″ shelf provides room for books and other instruments.

The quarterberth aft of the nav station is 68″ long (plus 12″ of the nav seat) and 30″ wide and has stowage below it.

We found two interesting stowage areas under the companionway-a hanging locker immediately to starboard of the engine compartment that is large enough for two sets of foul weather gear, and another 18″ wide and 12″ high into which one owner had mounted a small microwave oven.

The engine is accessible by removing the companionway steps and cover, though some owners complain that changing oil filters is an acrobatic challenge.

The galley is a typical U-shaped affair with the ice box aft, a gimbaled two-burner stove and a dry locker and sink forward. Countertops are as large as those found on bigger boats.

Living spaces are equally spacious, partially attributable to the boat’s 10′ 6″ beam and 6′ 4″ headroom. The port settee is 6′ long and the starboard settee is 50″. Three storage compartments measuring 20″ wide, 21″ tall and 16″ deep are located on both sides of the boat, above which are enclosed cabinets more than 24″ long.

Water and fuel tanks are located below the settees.

The head is large enough to be functional but has little elbow room. It measures 31″ deep and 42″ wide, and is equipped with a circular stainless sink. The medicine cabinet is large enough for some toiletries, but too small for a cruising medical kit.

The hanging locker to port is 43″ high and 18″ wide-adequate for a small amount of clothing. We think most clothes will be stored in cabinets below the 77″ x 60″ V-berth. The chain locker/forepeak is accessed through louvered teak doors. A drawback is the water that can come aboard with the ground tackle, not to mention the smell of mud.

In our opinion, the spaces below­decks on this boat are well-organized and adequate for couples planning extended passages, especially com­pared to newer production boats.

Some owners, however, report that tankage numbers are inaccurate. One told us that the fuel tank holds just 2 7 gallons, not 40 as advertised. Another said the two 40-gallon water tanks hold only 50 gallons combined.

Performance

Our experience aboard the Baba 30, corroborated by PS readers, found that in very light winds she’s an under-performer; above that, she performs on all points of sail, is sea kindly and has an easy helm.

The most cogent comments came from a couple in their mid-50’s who sailed a 1976 model from Hawaii to Seattle. After cruising Hawaiian waters for 18 months, they began the upwind route to the mainland, which took 27 days. The boat was not equipped with a spinnaker, so they used a 150% genoa in light air.

In less than 10 knots of wind the boat made 1-2 knots, steered to within 5 of its intended course for three days by an Auto-helm wind vane. When winds picked up to more than 10 knots, boat speed increased to 5 knots while sailing under the vane on a close reach. Three days from port the boat was struck by a 30-hour storm, during which winds built from 20 to 50 knots.

“The wind vane wasn’t operating properly, so we disconnected it, and steered by hand,” the skipper said. “Aside from general fatigue, we had no problems because the boat was easy to sail and the helm well-bal­anced; we just tied off the helm and hid behind the dodger, sailing under a double-reefed main and staysail. The ride was very comfortable. It seems as though the more the wind blew, the stouter the boat became.”

Conclusions

We think the Baba 30 will be pleasing to the eye of any sailor with an appreciation for traditional yachts. The construction methods are among the best used during its era, and have aged well; recent surveys of aging boats show them to be structurally sound. Accommodations are spacious and the joiner work is of very good quality. Performance is about what we’d ex­pect for a boat with her displacement, so it’s no surprise that she’s sluggish in 5-10 knots of wind.

The Baba 30 has held its value well; used boats are still commanding prices nearly as high as they were 10 years ago.

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I’ve never seen a 30 – or any baba – with a self tending staysail, nor have i ever heard of it anywhere else. I don’t know where the number of hatches came from either : companionway, forward hatch, and 10 opening windows (all of them). Most 30s have one inline and one aft lower (though a few moved the inline lower shroud forward). Otherwise, this seems mostly accurate. Oh, several dozen hull numbers were skipped so there’s about 150 30s produced i believe.

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Boat Information Boat specifications, sail boat calculation, rig and sail specs, auxillary power tank, accomodations, contributions, who designed the baba 30. BABA 30 was designed by Robert Perry. Who builds BABA 30? BABA 30 is built by Ta Shing Yacht Building Ltd.. When was BABA 30 first built? BABA 30 was first built in 1976. How long is BABA 30? BABA 30 is 7.47 m in length. What is mast height on BABA 30? BABA 30 has a mast height of 10.67 m. Member Boats at HarborMoor Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. Sign in to save them permanently, access them on any device, and receive relevant alerts. Sailboat Guide Baba 35 is a 34 ′ 10 ″ / 10.6 m monohull sailboat designed by Robert Perry and built by Ta Shing Yacht Building Ltd. between 1979 and 1986. Rig and Sails Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations. The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more. Classic hull speed formula: Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL Sail Area / Displacement Ratio A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more. SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3 SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay). D : Displacement in pounds. Ballast / Displacement Ratio A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize. Ballast / Displacement * 100 Displacement / Length Ratio A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more. D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³ D: Displacement of the boat in pounds. LWL: Waterline length in feet Comfort Ratio This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more. Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 ) D: Displacement of the boat in pounds LOA: Length overall in feet Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet Capsize Screening Formula This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more. CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64) Popularly known as the Baba 35, this traditionally styled full-keel double ender from the drawing board of Robert H. Perry started life officially dubbed the Flying Dutchman 35. It’s one of the prettiest of double-enders from Perry, blessed with beautifully proportioned lines that many fall in love with. She lies in the middle of the three Baba boats, not only in size but also in flavor. The Baba 30 , being the pudgy go-anywhere liveaboard, while the Baba 40 , plays the part of the fast and luxurious voyager. All these boats are built by Ta Shing , the best boatyard to emerge from Taiwan during the 1970-80s era. They have earned the reputation for respectable seagoing manners, sound construction and some of the best quality interiors to be found on cruising yachts even to this day. The Baba line of boats were the brainchild of their developer, Bob Berg, who was a partner in a West Coast dealership called Flying Dutchman at the time. Berg was early to recognize the potential of a little yard in Taiwan named Shing Sheng, who had made its first foray from fishing boats to yacht production with a half tonner for the Japanese market. The boat was a limited success, but thankfully this was far from the case when Shing Sheng started production on Berg’s Baba 30. The boats were built to exceptional quality and its design by Perry became a hit. Aided by this success, by 1979 the little boatyard moved into high gear with new purpose built facilities and a new name, Ta Shing. It was during this period Berg approached Perry for a boat to compete with his earlier Tayana 37 design which was selling in large numbers. Curiously this new commission was officially called the Flying Dutchman 35 and not the Baba 35. In subsequent promotional material we do see the Baba 35 name come up and it’s this name that has caught on . The boat was lofted in the original Shing Sheng factory. Tim Ellis who supervised production for Berg recalls, “there was one particular issue with the lines in that the flat portion of the stem did not meld seamlessly with the sharp portion of the stem beneath it. We reviewed the lines and the offsets and decided to put a chine at the intersection of the flat and the stem. It gives a unique appearance to the bow.” Apart from this and a trim problem requiring Perry to make a revision to correct for a major list the project ran smoothly. In addition to the popular aft cockpit layout, a small number of pilothouse versions were built and it remains one of Perry’s favorite. Ellis notes much of what was gleaned from building the Baba 35 Pilothouse made its way into the Baba 40 Pilothouse. In total it is believed 75 boats were built including 7 pilothouses. Production ceased in 1986. The hull numbers run from 002 through to 126, with a gap in hull numbers between 51-100 inclusive. Layout and Configuration In some respects the Baba 35 shares parallels with the Tayana 37, Perry’s most successful design in terms of production numbers. Her hull form is essentially an evolution in the same direction. With the Tayana 37, Perry infused performance into the traditionally slow domain of full keeled double-enders, a genre dating far back to the lifeboat designs of Colin Archer in the late-18th century. Perry’s formula was to take a canoe hull and attach a full keel as a separately defined surface without the traditional wineglass blend between keel and hull. With the Baba 35 the keel is still quite full, the forefoot cutaway being moderate, but with a leading edge that is more defined than on the Tayana. The sheerline on the Baba is beautifully proportioned, which blends with a very shapely deck profile. The side decks are broad, the cabin house narrow, and there’s a wraparound cockpit coaming which Perry borrowed from his work on the Hans Christian 34. Looking above, the rig is well canvassed, meaning the 35 will not disappoint in light air conditions, and of course a cutter rig with a bowsprit is obligatory for this style of boat. In his book Yacht Design According to Perry , Perry notes the original tall rig may have been too big for some cruising areas and he did get the chance to design a small rig for subsequent boats which may be better all-rounders. Perhaps the most notable feature is the exceptional quality of interior. Master joiner work from Ta Shing combined with Berg’s own talents for interior layout made for a potent combo. Berg was known to take meticulous efforts to get space from every nook and cranny. On the Baba 35, interior space is more akin to many boats around 40 feet. The interior layout had options in key areas. In the forepeak was either a v-berth or a double, while in the saloon there were either straight settees with a drop-leaf table or a L-shaped settee on one side wrapping around the table. Further aft to starboard the option was either a sea-going quarter berth or a generously sized hanging locker. The U-shaped galley to port is very functional and the envy of boats much larger. All the critical areas of the boat are easily accessible making for excellent serviceability and maintenance. Owners report of interior changes taking place around 1983. These changes included diagonally aligned galley sinks allowing for more cabinet space, all boats gained a teak enclosure around the mast, and the head was relocated from port to starboard. These changes came with minor finishing tweaks like less teak in the head and a move to a lighter polyurethane finish on interior wood over the original rubbed oil. In typical cruising trim weighing in excess of 28,000 lbs in a full keel displacement hull, seagoing comfort is high on the list of positives. The hull is initially tender before stiffening up at around 20 degrees of heel; this soft initial heel tends to aid the gentle seakindly ride. She is well balanced in most conditions, and for a full keel boat, she does not hobbyhorse much unless the ends have been loaded. Despite the heavy displacement, owners report their boats to be faster than most would expect. They are capable of out sailing lighter and larger boats on all points of sail, particularly in open sea conditions. Though the best point of sail is on a reach, the Baba 35 is capable of excellent close to the wind performance and notably gives away little leeway. There is general agreement that the boat sails best with a yankee plus staysail combo, and light airs a cruising spinnaker is more useful than a large genoa. As sea conditions pick up the Baba 35 comes into its own; under storm conditions her displacement and relatively full keel allows for heaving-to in relatively high comfort. Expect respectable 130 mile days in typical trade wind sailing. Buyers Notes As with many boats older than 25 years, have your surveyor check items such as chainplates and areas of balsa coring for rot. The original teak decks are still going strong on most boats. Overall, the Baba 35s have aged well, better than most boats of this era due to their excellent build quality. The mild steel fuel tanks have proven susceptible to corrosion mounted in the bilge and most owner have replaced these. Like all boats from Ta Shing, resale value has remained high. It’s recommended prospective buyers contact the Baba Owners Group at for advice, they run a Yahoo discussion group that’s worth checking out. Links, References and Further Reading » Baba, Panda, Tashiba sailboat Yahoo Group, information and owner discussions » Yacht Design According to Perry: My Boats and What Shaped Them, by Robert H. Perry (ch7) Thanks goes to multiple people who aided the research of this article including historical notes from developer Bob Berg and Tim Ellis (who supervised production at Ta Shing), Allan Kaplan for providing information regarding the Baba 35 boat records and hull numbers, as well as Baba 35 owners Bud and Leslie Dougherty (S/V Play Actor) and Robert Shulman for relating their experiences. Also thanks goes to Robert H. Perry for granting permission for use of his line drawings. Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. Discover Related Sailboats Blue Water Boats This collection of capable blue water boats features time-tested sailboats with rich histories. Hans Christian 33 Alajuela 33 Cape George 36 About Sailboat Guide ©2024 Sea Time Tech, LLC This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. Election 2024 Entertainment Newsletters Photography Personal Finance AP Investigations AP Buyline Personal Finance AP Buyline Shopping Press Releases Israel-Hamas War Russia-Ukraine War Global elections Asia Pacific Latin America Middle East Election Results Delegate Tracker AP & Elections Auto Racing 2024 Paris Olympic Games Movie reviews Book reviews Financial Markets Business Highlights Financial wellness Artificial Intelligence Social Media 38 dogs were close to drowning on a Mississippi lake. But some fishermen had quite a catch CORRECTS NAME OF LAKE: Fisherman Brad Carlisle, left, and fishing guide Jordan Chrestman bring one of three boatloads of dogs back to shore after they were found struggling to stay above water far out in Mississippi’s Grenada Lake. (Bob Gist via AP) Copy Link copied ATLANTA (AP) — By the time fishermen spotted the first head bobbing above the water, the 38 dogs were exhausted and struggling to stay alive. The hound dogs had plunged into a large Mississippi lake while chasing a deer, a diversion during a fox hunt. Bob Gist, who was fishing on the lake, knew they had no chance. “A deer can swim the Mississippi River, and those dogs are not going to catch a deer in the water,” he recalled Friday. They weren’t going to survive, either, Gist and the others realized — unless someone acted right away. The insurance agent from Jonesboro, Arkansas, along with friend Brad Carlisle and guide Jordan Chrestman, headed over in their small boat. “There were dogs everywhere,” Gist said. “They were kind of swimming in circles and didn’t know which direction to go.” As the dogs’ frantic owners watched from the shore, the three men started grabbing whatever dogs they could. There were too many to all fit on the bass boat, so three trips to shore were needed. A photo Gist took during the rescue shows Carlisle standing and grinning in mirrored sunglasses, with more than a half-dozen of the hound dogs perched on the bow. Numbers from the fox hunt are painted on their sides. Other dogs are standing behind the seats — two of them calmly looking ahead as Chrestman, beside them, steers. “The hero here is Jordan,” Gist said, as the guide had recognized the danger and sped the boat over. “If it wasn’t for Jordan, there would have been 38 dead dogs.” The dogs had probably been in the water for about 15 or 20 minutes by then, Gist said. Some of them were so worn out that the men had to reach into the water and lift their heads out. Each dog was then heaved aboard. By the time the last were rescued, they had been in the water for 45 minutes to an hour, Gist said. Dogs, especially when hunting, can “follow game relentlessly, as in this case,” said Chris Gurner, a natural resource specialist with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which patrols Grenada Lake — but he called it rare for them to go that far from shore. Even though they were on a fox hunt, it’s not unusual for the dogs to go after any animal that startled them, he said. “Opportunities to help somebody are in front of us all the time,” Gist said. “Sometimes if you see something, do something.” 243 VIDEO Sailboat Docking Maneuvers 180 degree turn at slip with 2kt ebb tide COMMENTS Baba boats for sale Baba boats for sale on YachtWorld are listed for a swath of prices from $7,500 on the moderate end of the spectrum, with costs up to $144,000 for the highly-specialized, bespoke models. What Baba model is the best? Some of the most popular Baba models now listed include: 40, 30, Cutter and Tashiba 40. Baba models are available through yacht ... Ta Shing boats for sale Find Ta Shing boats for sale in your area & across the world on YachtWorld. Offering the best selection of Ta Shing boats to choose from. ... Baba 30, Baba 40 and Tashiba 31. 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Sailboat Listings sailboats for sale by owner 30' Etchells 22 Nautical Donations Crowleys Yacht Yard 3434 E 95th St Chicago Il 60617, Illinois Asking $12,000 BABA 30: Reviews, Specifications, Built, Engine BABA 30 Detailed Review. If you are a boat enthusiast looking to get more information on specs, built, make, etc. of different boats, then here is a complete review of BABA 30. Built by Ta Shing Yacht Building Ltd. and designed by Robert Perry, the boat was first built in 1976. It has a hull type of Long Keel and LOA is 9.07. BABA 35 A boat with a BN of 1.6 or greater is a boat that will be reefed often in offshore cruising. Derek Harvey, "Multihulls for Cruising and Racing", International Marine, Camden, Maine, 1991, states that a BN of 1 is generally accepted as the dividing line between so-called slow and fast multihulls. Baba 35 The boat was a limited success, but thankfully this was far from the case when Shing Sheng started production on Berg's Baba 30. 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