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Whiting 29 vs Lidgard 29 vs Marauder

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Can you please share you thoughts on those three yachts?

- Pros & cons

- If you own(ed) one or been on one, please share your experience with me.

Thanks in advance.

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I have a marauder, its a great boat. Its the 4th boat I have owned and so far its proved to be perfect. We won't need to upgrade for a long time even with kid nuber 3 on the way. They have so much room for their size and great performance.

The only thing I would change is an open transom

We've got a Whiting 29' It was a hull only build with custom fit out and is a vast improvement on the production hull & deck layout in terms of utilisation of space. Strong boat with good performance. Ours is the non cruising configuration with fractional rig and deeper keel. Have done a few thousand miles bluewater plus a few more coastal and haven't managed to break it. Want to buy it? We're upgrading and the boat is already sitting in Vanuatu ready to cruise paradise again.

I guess whiting 29 has a good seaworthy charateristics as his other designs. I.e. reactor 25.

Thanks booboo for the reply. I heard about Marauder's good layout. 7/8 rig is also quite attractive. How did you find it on a rough day with a big swell? How does it manage them?

What is bouyant movement characteristic to Marauder? Is it similar to the movement with alan wright's Varient Design. It was quite interesting experience when i was on Varient once. Quite fun sensation!

Does anyone know about Lidgard 29 design? I like Lidgards quality craftmanship. Are they mostly factory finish by Llidgard? I would like to dig in more if anyone can share link or something.

We looked at Whitings and Lidgards before eventually buying a Carpenter 29. I lfound the Whitings to have a bit more interior space than the Lidgards and looked at heaps of both designs but once we saw a Carpenter we were sold. your welcome to have a look over mine if you want.

Hi Hey Elmo, the real answer is that you can't go wrong with any of those boats. If you are considering a boat that size then also consider the Davidson 28. Roomy and safe and sails well. Yes Carpenter 29s are good but also dearer than the others.

If you are after a Whiting 29 then I know a Weiti club member has one for sale. Let me know if you want to contact them.

All good boats, but my choice would be the Lidgard 29 stiff quick and great 2 handed.

The Carpenter 29 has more volume and is all of the above but yes the prices do tend to be a bit higher. You might get more bang for your buck with the Lidgard.

End of the day we all have our own criteria so try and get a sail on each and buy the one that feels right to you.

Young Entertainer 59

I owned a lidgard for the last couple of year and it was a great cruising boat, much lighter then that others at only 2000kg this helps with the overall performance (will plane down wind in a good blow) but does mean they are not so good upwind into large waves, with an 18hp will still motor at 7kn into a 30kn headwind (mine did this all the way to BOI on year). If you want to know more about the Lidgard or the Whiting PM me and I can give you more details, My choice would be the Lidgard over a Whiting for the performance and open transom

Hmmm, I wouldn't describe the Lidgard as a stiff boat at all, more so the most tender of all these boats being discussed. I've sailed on all of these boats, and you won't go wrong with any of them. It's going to come down to your budget and personal preferences. The Marauder has loads of room for a boat of it's length, the Whiting 29 possibly a fraction smaller internally but not much in it. The D28 also has plenty of room, similar to the Carpenter 29. The Lidgard is the smallest internally.

Lidgard definately smalled inside then the others, on paper would be the stiffest as one if its big claims during the marketing was the 50% ballast ratio with 1000kg in keel and 1000kg in the rest of the boat, but in reality seemed more "lively" then the others

I purchased a Marauder about 15 months ago, Im impressed with its performance and room, below and in the cockpit, they are easy to sail singlehanded and perform well in all conditions. We did the PYBC 2 handed the other weekend and were surfing at 10knts in 1 metre plus seas, in about 20-25knots with full main and no 2 kite, we narrowly missed beating a Lidgard29 home on Sunday, we full main and genoa , tehy we carrying full main and rolled up genoa to a no2, we were beside them most of the way from KAwau to the Barbers pole, nothing in it boat wise. However as BooBoo says an open transom would be nice however I have a large boarding platform which is great.

Question - do any of them have a decent double scratcher , that doesn't involve dropping the table and rebuilding it every night??? Just curious.

I have seen a marauder with a walk though - similar to a 1020. Not an open transom perse but definitely a walk through without having to "get your leg over" so to speak. I think it may have been the last one built and to the best of my knowledge it lives up at Gulf Harbour. The current owner had a Marauder already and when this one came up for sale he bought it and then sold his - simply for the walk thru. It has a nice cockpit floor rudder aka Y88 style. Can't remember its name but it has turned a great boat into an awesome boat.

Hi there when I was looking at 30footers I liked the Farr 9.2 Most of them are grp have 18hp yanmar saildrives in them. They dont have a open transom but they do have a seperate head & double bed up the front which the girl wanted. Theres a few in Wellie so they must be able to take a bit of a hiding & they where well priced. Whatever you do dont take the missus for a "quick" look at a 36footer on the way home or you too will end up on a first name basis with your bank manager....like me!

with an 18hp will still motor at 7kn into a 30kn headwind (mine did this all the way to BOI on year).

DrWatson 366

50% ballast ratio would give it good righting moment, but stiffness would come from the hull shape. More specifically, the beam and the turn of the bilge, a sharp turn of the bilge will give comparatively more initial stiffness than the same beam with perfect halfcircle sections (which would roll like a drunk hippo).

I've always intuitively thought of it as the chine being the fulcrum against which the rig forces and the ballast forces act.

I do like townson32 but the extra maintenace work for the wooden boat puts me off. Thinking about maintaining wooden boat, what and how much effort do I need in comparison to grp boats?

Repairing rot vs repairing pox? How hard is it to strip the rot and put a new wood back?? And cost? Is it easy to get a treated Kauri?

Wooden boat is quite attractive and the warmth it projects that i cant resist. My heart say yes but my head says NO!!

Chico 30 looks good.

Any more info about Shoalcraft? It looks pretty interesting!

Shoalcraft trace their roots to mulleties hence the shallow draft which is well worth considering for cruising the Gulf. Well built wooden boats from the 70's are very good value and if in good nick need only small regular maintenance, get a survey! Glass is definitely lower maintenance though

shoalcraft are balsa core and getting on a bit now and when that stuff needs attention it gets very high maintenance

I do like townson32 but the extra maintenace work for the wooden boat puts me off. Thinking about maintaining wooden boat, what and how much effort do I need in comparison to grp boats?   Repairing rot vs repairing pox? How hard is it to strip the rot and put a new wood back?? And cost? Is it easy to get a treated Kauri?   Wooden boat is quite attractive and the warmth it projects that i cant resist. My heart say yes but my head says NO!!   Chico 30 looks good.   Any more info about Shoalcraft? It looks pretty interesting!

From memory the Chico 30s are all wooden deck/cabin on glass hulls - so you get a bit of both

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